Thursday, April 13, 2006

Design 3 - Ed Benedict and Fred Flintstone

Ed Benedict is the greatest!
My favorite cartoon designer of all time is Ed Benedict. He's the guy who created the original Hanna Barbera style of the late 50s and early 60s. You're probably saying to yourself, "I thought John hated flat stuff!" I don't. I hate bad stuff. I hate bland stuff. I hate cheating.

Look how funny these drawings are! These are the first finished models Ed did for the Flinstones. Then HB made him water them down a step before they accepted them for television. Then year by year Hanna Barbera continued to water them down more and more until they finally became ugly, wobbly and bland and unwatchable. They took out all of Ed's charm. God knows why.

Ed taught me how to draw when I was a kid! He didn't know it but he did. I used to sit in front of the TV watching Yogi Bear, Huckleberry Hound, Quick Draw McGraw and The Flintstones with my drawing pads every day and draw as fast as I could.




I memorized the design of every early HB character by the time I was 9 years old.

I also copied the Warner Bros. characters from comic books, and Tom and Jerry (even though I had never seen a Tom and Jerry cartoon!)
and Disney cartoons and anything else on TV or in comics.

But my favorite characters to draw were always Ed's. I just loved the design of the Hanna Barbera cartoons and was aware that they actually HAD design. Most other cartoons were sort of generic-Disney, Warner Bros and MGM-I mean generic in design-they were all made of balls and pears. Hanna Barbera had a real look about it and it fascinated me.

I could also tell all the animators apart just by the way they interpreted Ed's drawings.

I didn't know any of them by name, but I had traits that I knew them by- That's the guy who draws crooked wrists (Carlo Vinci)-there's the guy with the upside down curly mouths (EdLove) etc.

If you want to learn who they are, get on ebay and find the Flintstones Laser Disc Flintstones collection I produced-it's all explained in there and there are music videos Henry Porch cut together for each animator to help you recognize his style

What I like about Ed's style of design is that he does all the things I like about cartoons at once.
I love style. I love interesting design. I love funny. I love cute. And I love character.

There are a lot of talented character designers from the 40s and 50s who have interesting looks-like Tom Oreb, but they create pure designs rather than characters and I want to believe that these magical cartoon creatures are real and have souls.

You can tell just by looking at Ed's designs what the character is like. They aren't just wallpaper.

I'm gonna post Barney next. The first models of him are hilarious. He's real retarded looking, like a cartoon writer! (except nice)

Hey there's a couple great Golden Books painted by Mel Crawford that are actually drawn in Ed's style with poses right from these early models!

Clarke Snyde has all the pages from "Pebbles Flintstone" - my all time favorite Golden Book. I went INSANE when I discovered this book at 10 years old. Mel Crawford is another fantastic cartoonist/illustrator/painter.
Go check it out. It's so fun!

http://inspiration-grab-bag.blogspot.com/2006/03/mel-crawford-pebbles-flintstone-1963.html


Ed's style may look simple but don't be fooled. The guy is a real artist and can draw like an old time illustrator and in many styles.
His cartoons look so great because he has strong fundamentals behind them.
I'll talk more about him when I post the Barney models.



Here's a real treat below, some practice designs as Ed was trying to figure out the look he wanted for The Flintstones.

Ed is one of my all time heroes-a true cartoon genius!

I have lots more of his stuff but it's all xeroxes and in the custody of Asifa's archive right now. Beg Steve over there to start putting some stuff up!
http://www.animationarchive.org/
Oh and he also has tapes of me interviewing Ed. Ed is hilarious! He's nothing like what you would expect from his drawing style.

In case you didn't know, Ed is also the guy who designed and layed out the stylish Tex Avery cartoons from the 50s-like this great one!



http://inspiration-grab-bag.blogspot.com/2006/03/deputy-droopy-1955-mgm.html

103 comments:

Charlie J. said...

yeah, I noticed that the early flintstones look alot better. Great post!

Evan said...

John would you consider these "flat"?

Evan's Aliens

Gabriel said...

Hey, ain't that the color scheme you used in that really weird but cool fairy flinstones cartoon network vignette? The one where fairy Fred hits Barney's nose with a magic wand and the nose shrinks in?

JohnK said...

>>Hey, ain't that the color scheme you used in that really weird but cool fairy flinstones cartoon network vignette? The one where fairy Fred hits Barney's nose with a magic wand and the nose shrinks in?

Probably.

I love the green fur.

Mitch K said...

Those drawings are amazingly beautiful! I really love the legs on Fred on the Run sheet -- they look so cool! Thank you so much!

Evan said...

Not to get an argument going, but rather a bit of a discussion-

Why exactly is the Flintstones so good in your opinion? Granted, I'm not the biggest expert on the show, but it seems to me like they:

1. were scripted
2. were drawn from model sheets, and were pretty non-wacky
3. generally had sitcom-ish jokes

I'll grant you that I do kinda like the character design tho.

Chet said...

Hey John,

Killer post,I love these designs.I cant wait for the Barney posts.

Im having a little design issue myself.I created a character that i really like the look of.His head has a realy cool shape to it,and i dont want to lose it but with his current head shape i dont think his eyes are big enough.

I would like to make his eyes bigger and more expressive,and not lose the head shape in the process.Have any ideas on how to fix this?

Here is the character- http://thunderrobotattacks.blogspot.com/2006/03/tender-trap.html

jorge garrido said...

NICE!! These are really good! I love rare stuff like this.

John, did you see Flintstones on the Rocks? What do you think of craig Kellman?

>>>1. were scripted

By Mike Maltese and WArren Foster and the other great cartoons writers of the 40's. The jokes were really solid, and it had both verbal adn visual humour. HB gave them work when WB shut down its cartoons.

>>2. were drawn from model sheets, and were pretty non-wacky

The design itself was wacky, and the 1st season had the best animation and character design. Primitive but wacky. Just watch out for anything HB made after 1965 or so.

>>3. generally had sitcom-ish jokes

Well it's the Cavemen Honeymoooners. :P:P:P

John what the hell is laserdisc?

jorge garrido said...

Although I gotta tell you, the eyes on the same side of the nose in the last pic bugs me. I see it copied so often, too.

David Germain said...

John what the hell is laserdisc?

Back in the early '90's, the laser disc was the primitive version of the DVD meant to replace VHS. However, because of it's bulky design, the product never really caught on as the makers had hoped and so it was dropped quickly by the public. But then, the DVD came out in the late '90's and the VHS was replaced after all.

Yeah, Ed Benedict rules. Did he design the graphic style for one of my favourite Tex Avery toons Symphany in Slang?

Evan said...

Jorge: The nose on the same side of the nose drives me nuts too.

John: Another thing I wanted to mention was you said you noticed different animators' takes on the characters, and I had that same experience watching Games R&S episodes. Hermit Ren always stood out in my mind particularly cuz whoever drew that drew Ren so radically different.

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Kevin Langley said...

I always loved Ed's designs for the early Hanna Barbera shows. I can't wait for the Barney pics. He looked so much funnier in the earlier designs. What do think of his work at MGM?

r said...

Iwao Takamoto

Go ahead and shoot. I dare you.


Just kidding, forget about Iwao.

Great post on Ed. His constructions remain a mystery to me, though. Definitely not balls and pears as you said, so what is the three-dimensional understructure under these characters, if any? Especially Wilma, I can't imagine how her head tilts up and down.

Anonymous said...

DIRTY FLINTSTONES TOYS!

"Fred sure likes Barney a lot!"

Did Ed design the Jetsons, too?

Anonymous said...

John K.

I know you met Mike Judge but what other cartoonist have you met?

Jesse

Amy said...

Hi John,
Do you like the designs of the Flintstones houses,vehicles,dinosaurs etc,? Was everything in the Flintstones designed by Ed Benedict? The Flintstones world is very pleasing to the eye.

JohnK said...

>>I know you met Mike Judge but what other cartoonist have you met?


Eddie, Mike, Katie and a couple others

Anonymous said...

John K.
What is the rough cut version of Ren Seeks Help that will be on the Lost Episodes DVD?

Jesse

C. A. M. Thompson said...

Thank you so much for this post!

I also love the way they animate Ed Benedict's designs in Deputy Droopy.

Check out the way the Sherriff walks!

J_Swick said...

Awesome stuff John. Thank you very much. His comments are amazing and so simple.

Anonymous said...

John K.

Would you ever draw your version of Jackie Gleason & Art Carney?

Jesse

Anonymous said...

Hi, john K, no wonder you're such a good cartoonist with all that background knowledge of the history of cartoons. And drawing cartoons from tv at 10. I was going to try to learn cartooning now aged 40. Think i'll drink more beer instead. Cheers, Simon.

BrianB said...

John, sorry to veer a bit off the generation of concentration, but what do you think about Chris Sanders' Lilo & Stitch designs? Obviously based pretty pretty close - maybe too close - off anatomy and not very funny but as far as appeal and cuteness.

Alicia said...

Back in highschool I had to write a paper on cartoons and justify why they were a legitimate art form to my teacher (he strongly believed that they were nothing more than doodles). It was next to impossible since I had no reference materials in my community and no internet at the time. I wish I would have had these posts then, I probably would have got a better mark!

JohnK said...

>>John K.

Would you ever draw your version of Jackie Gleason & Art Carney?<<

I already did. They're called Ren and Stimpy!

JohnK said...

Hey Kappappa

thanks for the link!

I put it on the front page!

JohnK said...

>> Amy said...

Hi John,
Do you like the designs of the Flintstones houses,vehicles,dinosaurs etc,? Was everything in the Flintstones designed by Ed Benedict? The Flintstones world is very pleasing to the eye. <<

Hi Amy,

yeah Ed designed the backgrounds and did many of the layouts.

He layed out the whole original 1960 title sequence and it was painted by Art Lozzi and it's beautiful!

I'll post some of his cave drawings with the Barney post so come back and see.

JohnK said...

>>Yeah, Ed Benedict rules. Did he design the graphic style for one of my favourite Tex Avery toons Symphany in Slang?<<

No, that was Tom Oreb. I love that cartoon.

Jeff Pidgeon said...

Ed Benedict is awesome!
(pointing at John)
This man speaks the truth!

I was also very inspired by the H&B limited-animation designs. I love how expressively the characters act and move in spite of how few drawings there are! The poses were chosen very strategically by guys who knew their stuff.

I remember being blown away by the pink, blue, green and yellow cats in Top Cat. Look how much great shape and color variety there is in a simple group of cats!

If you can get your hands on the Flintstones laserdisc set, there's lots of really funny notes that John wrote about H&B merchandising. Sadly, none of them (or the infamous Winston commercials featuring Fred and Barney smoking) were replicated on the DVDs.

Maybe you should duplicate them here, John, if you haven't already. They're a crack-up!

Ohjeepers said...

John
I would have bet a million bucks that Barney would have been the "catcher" in that relationship...

I also can't believe that Fred would do that with Pebbles in the boat!

James.

david gemmill said...

hey john, thanks for posting these! ed benedict is top notch. this is amazing hotshot cartooning right here.

Christian Staunts said...

Holy crap, the drawings in the book are awesome. I can see why you were so fired up about them, all I had when I was a kid was Ghostbusters and stuff like that.

By the way, I missed my chance to see you when you came up to Seattle, do you think you'll come back anytime soon? The 'animation' students here all copy boring anime and video game garbage. They could use a reminder of what good animation is.

Alex said...

I love how crisp the images in that cartoon are contrasted with how old the audio sounds.

R2K said...

:) Flintstones.

New York Bathrooms

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Joel Bryan said...

I always wondered why the early Flintstones looked so different from the later ones... and I don't even mean the even further-bastardized ones with Pebbles as a teen or the Shmoo pissing off Fred as a cop.

I mean, even the original series. The early episodes had a stronger design, back when Barney had the squeakier wise-guy voice rather than the dopey later voice. I think the fatter contour lines around the characters made them look flatter than the subsequent episodes but there was a cohesiveness to the look... Yeah, just stronger.

And now I know why. I grew up drawing Fred and Barney like crazy but Ed Benedict as an existing person is a totally new concept for me!

Joel Bryan said...

Oh- I notice in a few of his more recent Cartoon Network iterations, they've gone back to something closer to the original Benedict designs instead of that watered-down crap of later years.

Dan Goodsell said...

hi - I saw you mentioned Art Lozzi - I have some theme park design paintings signed Lozzi and I always wondered who had done them. Now I think I can assume it was Art. Can't wait for more Ed Benedict!

glamaFez said...

Did Ed Benedict work on 'Wags To Riches'? That's my favorite Droopy cartoon. When Spike's jaw drops through the table I always lose it. Or am I thinking of 'Millionaire Droopy'?

JohnK said...

>>hi - I saw you mentioned Art Lozzi - I have some theme park design paintings signed Lozzi <<

Are you gonna share them with us Dan?

Art Lozzi is one of my favorite painters and he's not well known.

JohnK said...

>>hey john, thanks for posting these! ed benedict is top notch. this is amazing hotshot cartooning right

Hi David, Steve has my binder filled with Ed's designs and layouts (xeroxes) somewhere at Asifa. Check 'em out!

:: smo :: said...

that was one of my favorite droopy cartoons growing up. it's really great to see the other things these designers did.

i just got to work, saw those model sheets and printed them out for the higherups at my studio because they don't know what real model sheets are...they just have money. hopefully it will help! thanks!

Dan Goodsell said...

John -

here are the paintings

http://www.theimaginaryworld.com/okefen.html

they came out of one of the Sid and Marty Krofft auctions held a few years ago. I have traded a couple of them but still have most. They are all quite large and amazing.

Robert Hume said...

I saw some of your very cartoony designs of Fred Flintstone and Barney...did Spumco ever do a Flintstones cartoon?
I ask because I saw the Yogi Bear cartoon you guys did and thought it was just totally insain!

Kevin said...

why exactly did the flinstones end up getting so watered down after the first season? who decides to make something less funny or creative? Is it a money thing?

Kevin said...

Let me just say that south parks 2 part extravaganza ripping on family guy wasn't even that funny. In fact it made me think that south park is pretty pathetic and desperate. I mean obviously a lot of people enjoy family guy, most likely just as many who are now sick of south park's crap.

Anonymous said...

John, what do you like or dislike about the simpsons animation style, and have you noticed a change over the years? would you say that the animation has gotten better or worse?

Thad K said...

Only Tex could take a cartoon he did before and make it funnier than hell... TWICE! Thanks for sharing that great cartoon with us, now if only I could find my own copy of it.

Looking forward to the Benedict Barney drawings.

jorge garrido said...

^HEy, John, I posted some info on Samm Schwartz on the last post. Hers' an example of his work: http://lambiek.net/artists/d/doyle_frank.htm

JohnK said...

Hey Dan

is Tick Tock Toys your site?

It's fantastic. I have been visiting it for years now.

I love all the cereal displays especially.

JohnK said...

Hi Jorge

your links lead to many different Archie artists, Harry Lucy (Lucey?) among them.

Some of the drawings are by the main 60s Archie artist-I forget his name-Bruce Timm likes him...

Anonymous said...

The "main" Archies artist is the great Dan DeCarlo.
Bruce Timm and a whole lot of other artists love him, too. : )

JohnK said...

>>The "main" Archies artist is the great Dan DeCarlo.

Yeah, that's him.

Thanks!

jorge garrido said...

^ Ooops! My mistake! Corrections:

These following links have one image each and are dfinately Samm:

http://lambiek.net/artists/s/schwartz_samm/schwartz_jughead.jpg
http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Page=1&Order=Date&Piece=76780&GSub=14409&GCat=0&UCat=0
http://lambiek.net/artists/d/doyle_frank.htm

The following link has diffeent artists. I believe Samm drew pics # 1,2,3,6. Harry Lucey (with an E) drew #5, I think.

http://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/stupidcomics12.html

This one below isn't him. Can anyone tell me who it is?:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/oddball/enlarge.cgi?date=2002-09-12

Samm was the main Jughead artist for years. Maybe Bruce is tallking about Samm.

Look how samm draws hair, especially bangs. That's how you can tell his style. He also drew Jughead with his eyes closed long after everyone made Jughead open them up.

Now back to Ed Benedict: Did you use his big noses for That Guy from R&S?

Kevin W. Martinez said...

Hi John,

I don't think i've posted a comment on your blog in a while.

Er, anyway, seeing Ed Benedict's drawings is really eye-opening. The expressions, the emotions, and the charm of these drawings, it all comes together for such an appealing package.

Can't wait to see the Berney models (is he really as retarded looking as you say he does?)

Kevin W. Martinez said...

Oops, my last sentence was littered with typos. Here's what i meant:

Can't wait to see the Barney models (is he really as retarded looking as you say he is?)

Dan Goodsell said...

john -

yeah Tick Tock is me, in all its insanity. I don't update it much anymore just putting new stuff up on my blog. I enjoy your blog but it can be overwhelming.

dan

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Morly said...

Great stuff here as usual, John. Love early Flintstones. Really cool images on Dan's site, too!

trophiogrande said...

thanks for the great posts and blog. I have noticed a marked improvemnt in my oqn cartooing and the comments I make when grading cartoon lessons. Unforunately my typing still sucks.

Eric C. said...

So John,

Was Ed Benedict the guy who created the bulbous nose / sharp lip combo. If so, I should study him alittle more because that's the kind of style that I draw.
I should post a couple of my comics on either my blog or my site and show them to you. If you have time, would you be able to give me pointers about cartooning. Because beleive it or not, your the reason why i got interested in making animated cartoons and cartoon design.

_Eric

greg oakes said...

LOL... just finished watching the tex avery cartoon. holy crap was that great!! the ed benedict stuff you posted is super sweet!! all that HB talk brings back so many memories (mid-late 70s). *sigh*

thanks for that! :)

go
www.gregoakes.com

Eric C. said...

John, what are your opinions about Matt Groening and his work. I've heard that you were kind of harsh towards the writers of the show, so Matt and the guys desided to poke at you.
Matt did say in a interview "and John Kricfalusi, who created Ren & Stimpy. I'm really looking forward to seeing what he does next. I'm always intrigued by people who have a unique vision that they express musically." and "met John Kricfalusi for lunch, and his conversation is as quiet as his cartoons (laughs). The shows he was pitching... he's doomed! Then there was that updating of the Jetsons he did, where the kids skip school and end up wearing their mother's dresses...' " they say you worked with him on Boo Boo Runs Wild even though his name isn't in the credits.
So my main question is what kind of relation do you have with Matt.
Friendship or not. Because it strangly seems like ping-pong.
Just curious because him and you are my top favorite modern cartoonists.

Tony said...

The Tex Avery Cartoon that you posted is ..... no words for those old masters!!! The gags are incredible!

Please post more old cartoons!!

cartooncrank said...

I could also tell all the animators apart just by the way they interpreted Ed's drawings.

I didn't know any of them by name, but I had traits that I knew them by- That's the guy who draws crooked wrists (Carlo Vinci)


I know just what you mean! I was always asking people who was that Terry animator that also worked at HB whose wrists did *this*? (I'd then demonstarte my version of the Carlo Vinci wrist/finger signature.)

Thanks to the internet, and posts such as your's, I now know who my hero is!

nicci said...

Hey John K,
I read about your blog in the Toronto Star... I used to visit Spumco.com and watch the George Liquor animation you had there... I hope you don't mind me saying, I find your blog a bit... hard to read? It's kind of disorganized and I wasn't sure I was in the right place at first... your profile is way down at the bottom. I had a teacher that used to say, "you can't learn anything from messy notes." I appreciate what you're doing, I've been a fan for a long time... it's unfortunate that networks don't recognize, especially since you have such a "cult following." Hope you don't take offense to what I'm saying... maybe you could get a sexy pin-up type secretary to help you out.

P.C. Unfunny said...

I forgot thw name of the cartoon, but it was about a dog who broke out of Jail and accidently trapped himself insde the warden's TV. What my question is, did Ed do the character designs for that one? By the way, my favorite part was when the warden started dancing.

nicci said...

ps.
in case you go to my blog
it USED to have some drawings on it... until it became overrun with self analytical self sorry bullcrap and obsessions... I don't really have anything good online... but my blog is embarrassing, so no one go... there are links (if you're interested) instead, thanks.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/495/1244/1600/good%20movement_beat.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/495/1244/1600/s4.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/495/1244/1600/mad%20skills.jpg

http://neech.blogs.friendster.com/photos/drawrrings_/

S.G.A said...

wow, I loved this one ,incredible stuff!!!!!

nicci said...

(the second link is missing a .jpg on the end)

JohnK said...

>>I forgot thw name of the cartoon, but it was about a dog who broke out of Jail and accidently trapped himself insde the warden's TV. What my question is, did Ed do the character designs for that one? By the way, my favorite part was when the warden started dancing.<<

That was Cellbound and yes, Ed designed it and did the layouts.

Thad K said...

Hey John speaking of 'stealing' and on the topic of CELL-BOUND... That crazy dance the warden does in that short is awfully similar to the one Stimpy does in STIMPY'S INVENTION...

Ted said...

"Back in the early '90's, the laser disc was the primitive version of the DVD meant to replace VHS. However, because of it's bulky design, the product never really caught on as the makers had hoped and so it was dropped quickly by the public. But then, the DVD came out in the late '90's and the VHS was replaced after all."

Wow is that wrong. While LD came out after VHS, LD came to market in 1978 (altho the tech was invented in 1958, and the term laserdisc was not standard until 1981; VHS came to market in 1976, beta in 1975). LD was also the home ownership format of choice for years; LDs were largely priced around $30-40 (mostly) throughout their lifespan. While that's not cheap, it was a fraction of the cost of VHS tapes, which experienced more or less across the board rental pricing of around $100 a tape until the release of Top Gun at sell through pricing (some public domain materials and a handful of special product releases were available before that time at lower prices, used rental tapes were available for sale from rental stores, and after the success of Top Gun on VHS, new release movies snowballed until they were replaced by DVD). LDs also had better resolution (400 lines in NTSC, as opposed to 250 for VHS), had less problems with degradation than VHS tapes (altho the adhesive used ot join the two sides of the disc could cause laser rot if it was of a specific formulation), had no moving parts in the media itself (thus avoiding several types of failure tapes are prone to), offered immediate chapter access, or time access, and eventually offered digital soundtracks, AC3 and DTS soundtracks, and four potential normal soundtracks for things like different languages or commentary tracks. Plus bonus materials and widescreen films showed up on LD, which VHS tapes virtually never contained, altho there's no good reason for that. Apparently the LD users were or were assumed to be cinephiles in higher numbers.

Laserdisc had greatest penetration in Japan, where it ended up in about 10% of all households, as opposed ot about 2% of US households. There's little reason for LD to have done so poorly at the time, except that apparently the market wasn't ready for widescale ownership. Both LDs and VCRs cost more at the time than VCRs and DVD players do now (at least for entry level players), and in adjusted dollars that meant they were even more expensive, and people wanted to tape TV shows and could get by renting the movies they wanted to see instead of owning them (or were willing to own them at decreased quality on inferior media once VHS went sell through). But the industry was largely centered around tape for whatever reason, whether it was that they found rental tape pricing to be more lucrative on a wide scale or something else, but could still justify LDs until the late mid-'90s, when DVD really killed them. The latest printed LD I own is Star Wars Episode 1, but it was only out in Japan...
(oh yeah, LD had no region locks, so any NTSC LDs play just fine in American players, unlike the DVD situation; there was also no macrovision to screw up the picture).
I also own the Spumco Flintstones LD box; look at a comparison between its Barney and a ranger model cel from an episode of Mighty Mouse (click the link under my name above to go to the page)...
http://www.geocities.com/bakshimightymouse/flintranger.html

JohnK said...

>>Hey John speaking of 'stealing' and on the topic of CELL-BOUND... That crazy dance the warden does in that short is awfully similar to the one Stimpy does in STIMPY'S INVENTION...

well only in that they are both "crazy". We sure weren't looking at that when we did it.

Thad K said...

Gotcha. Just wasn't sure if that was a reference to one of your heroes or something.

I watched both recently and the resemblance was uncanny, with the hanging tongue and arm waving and all. Both ARE indeed nuts.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting these early images of Fred Flintstone. It was one of my favorite cartoons of all time and I love looking at character design artwork like this.

Believe it or not, I'm going to print these and put them on my wall. I wish I could buy professional prints of these.

Love you John! - Jason Davis www.jasondavis.com

Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting these early images of Fred Flintstone. It was one of my favorite cartoons of all time and I love looking at character design artwork like this.

Believe it or not, I'm going to print these and put them on my wall. I wish I could buy professional prints of these.

Love you John! - Jason Davis www.jasondavis.com

jorge garrido said...

I think I see another Spumco tribute to past animation. Is Stimpy's walk cycle in Big House Blues, which is in the R&S opening, a take off of Tweety's walk cycle in Gruesome Twosome? The part where he's singing "I tawt I taw a putty tat, putty tat, putty tat"

Let me find the clips:

Ok in the opening theme, it's the second last scene before the title card. You see ren hopping and stimpy walking stupidly, rocking back and forth as he walks. Stimpy reminds me of tweety from gruesome twosome

JohnK said...

>>Is Stimpy's walk cycle in Big House Blues, which is in the R&S opening, a take off of Tweety's walk cycle in Gruesome Twosome? The part where he's singing "I tawt I taw a putty tat, putty tat, putty tat"


Wow! That's quite an eye you've got there, Jorge.

I animated that scene and it definitely came from that Tweety walk.

It's only 3 frames per step on 1's.

Did you freeze frame the takes in that scene?

BTW, the Mom is also from a Milt Gross comic.

jorge garrido said...

Thanks, John! Which mom? I've never actually seen Big House Blues. Actually I just saw Space Madness, The Boy Who Cried Rat, The Great Outdoors, and The Cat That Laid The Golden Hariball for the first time last week. They don't show R&S on Nicktoons TV enough. I'm holding out for The Ultimate Set, since I don't have any R&S dvd's yet.

The other Spumco tributes i know of are the jim tyer mighty mouse shrink take in the old navy commercial and coal black's kiss reaction in the japanese aoki's pizza commercial

Anonymous said...

"Let me just say that south parks 2 part extravaganza ripping on family guy wasn't even that funny. In fact it made me think that south park is pretty pathetic and desperate. I mean obviously a lot of people enjoy family guy, most likely just as many who are now sick of south park's crap."

Just because a lot of people watch Family Guy, it doesn't make it a good show.

Anonymous said...

Tribute to Tex on TCM starting now!
11AM Eastern
Chris

John Pannozzi said...

>Back in the early '90's, the
>laser disc was the primitive
>version of the DVD meant to
>replace VHS. However, because of
>it's bulky design, the product
>never really caught on as the
>makers had hoped and so it was
>dropped quickly by the public.
>But then, the DVD came out in the
>late '90's and the VHS was
>replaced after all.

Actually, David, the history of Laserdisc is much longer. Laserdisc was invented in the mid-to-late 1970s and was supposed to come out before VHS but it got delayed, and by the time Laserdisc (which wasn't called Laserdisc at first FYI) finally came out, VHS was king. Laserdisc lasted a long time (I think the very last laserdisc(s) were released around 2002), but it was never more than a format for collectors. More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc

Adam said...

I think someone mentioned a Flintstones cig commercial. I think this is it:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4350785167330427171&q=commercial

Schmiddy said...

Hey thanks for sharing John!
Ed benedict kicks ass. I also love those old painterly BGs in the older flinstones too...wish i could hear more about your visit with Ed...

Stephen Worth said...

Mike Lah told me that Cellbound was the best cartoon he ever made. It's on my top ten list. I think the Ed Benedict look is even better integrated into the backgrounds and animation than on Field and Scream and Last Bad Man. Deputy Droopy is just as good though.

I've got a 16mm print of Cellbound and I showed it to friends once. They demanded that I show it three times in a row. We laughed every time.

See ya
Steve

jorge garrido said...

>>Tribute to Tex on TCM starting now!
11AM Eastern

How was it!!!?!

>>> Mike Lah told me that Cellbound was the best cartoon he ever made. It's on my top ten list.

That was Tex's last MGM cartoon with Michael, wasn't it?

Anonymous said...

It was great! as it included two I hadn't seen till now. I wish I wrote the titles down as advancing years have shot my short term memory to hell.
Three MGM's circa 1945:
First was the early Droopy wherin he's always two steps ahead of the escaped convict wolf. The other two were both western-themed with Droopy and Hot Red. Interestingly, one contained a similar gag to one used in Clampett's Bugs western featuring Red Hot Rider ("Come on horsey, please whoooa!")
And that was 11:30 AM Eastern, (my typo)
And John, I would be happy to transcribe an interview or two:
cjboyle@comcast.net
Regards, Chris

Anonymous said...

Got the titles from the TCM webite:
Dumb Hounded (1943), Shooting of Dan McGoo (1945) and Wild and Woolfy (1945).
Chris

Lee-Roy said...

Reading these in reverse order. Another great post. Really rich! That Avery cartoon is so bizarre! I love the head-swap.

lyris said...

John, thanks for posting Deputy Droopy. It reminded me how much I loved the old Tex Avery shorts when I was about 2 or 3, they were some of the first cartoons I ever watched. I've ordered the (censored) DVDs from France after I lost an auction for the Compleat Tex Avery laserdisc box set on eBay.

I'm sure I'll get my hands on the LD some time.

kittens with chainsaws said...

so you're the one snatching up all the Flintstone memorabilia at the swap meets!! :)

SirPavlova said...

Thanks for writing this sort of stuff, John. It's really interesting; I've always considered most US animation bar Angry Beavers to be rubbish, but I've never really seen the older ones. What you wrote about Ed Benedict was eye-opening.

Just because a lot of people watch Family Guy, it doesn't make it a good show.

Too right! Recently I watched an episode through for the first time, & while some jokes are a tad amusing, most of it's not. More relevant to this blog though, I realised that it's the animation style that's put me off in the past (& still does).

Anonymous said...

John - I love your blog but whats with all the neg. commens re: writers? Gigi

Adam B said...

Hi John,Did Ed Benedict do the character design on Tex Avery shorts Three Little Pups, and Billy Boy?

rodineisilveira said...

São Paulo - SP, Brazil, September 4, 2006 (A late Happy Birthday to Mort Walker and Beetle Bailey!).

Hello, Johnny K. (a.k.a. John Kricfalusi)!

Very cool the Fred Flintstone early model sheets which Ed Benedict did at the late 50s for The Flintstones series.
I remember of an episode of Snooper & Blabber (part from The Quick Draw McGraw Show [produced by Hanna-Barbera between 1959 and 1962 {originally distributed by Columbia Pictures}]), titled Wild Man, Wild!, where the mouse-and-cat detective duo helps a professor to bring back a caveman named Gabba-Gabba, who was being served to be exhibited in a speech which the professor was giving to the other scientists and explorers, in the Adventurers' Club.
The mischievous troglodite ran away from the Adventurers' Club to cause mayhem and pranks in the big city.
And at the end of the episode, Snooper & Blabber find Gabba-Gabba, the ex-playful trogg, now acting in a civilizing way, mowing the grass of his house. The trogg introduces his wife Louise and their three children to Snooper & Blabber. The three kids present the same caveman appearances of their father.
This episode brought the layout made by Ed Benedict. Seeing the Gabba-Gabba reference, it sounds like a prototype of the Flintstones design.
Among the other Flintstones model sheets shown on your article, also include a guy who looks like Ranger Smith, as he was seen on an episode from the classical Yogi Bear (part from The Huckleberry Hound Show [Hanna-Barbera/Columbia Pictures, 1958-62]), titled Nowhere Bear (which also has the Ed Benedict's design), where Mr. Ranger uses a "do-it-yourself-hypnotism" method (suggested by a friend) on Yogi.
Well, this was what I've had to report here.
Bye-bye!

Cheers from this fan who's writting 4 U,

Rodinei Campos da Silveira (from São Paulo, Brazil).
You're wellcome!

8-)

imo said...

simpelt hen genialt.. :D

rodineisilveira said...

Johnny K.,

Do you remember of my commentaries which I did about the Ed Benedict's early designs for The Flintstones (including the early Fred Flintstone designs made by him)?
When I saw about that early Flintstones design, I could remark that the guy looked like Ranger Smith, as he was seen on an episode from the Yogi Bear classical period, titled Nowhere Bear. And talking about this Yogi Bear episode (which has the layout made by Ed Benedict [and also the Ed Love's animation]), I've found on YouTube (http://youtube.com), a video featuring this same episode, one of the funniest ones that I've seen, which has strong influences from the Warner's Looney Tunes (it was scripted by Warren Foster). This video is on the following address: http://youtube.com/watch?v=G4ypPB0OKQ. It worths a while remember this episode!
Also, on that early Flintstones, I could notice that the girl looked like Diana Ross (due to her beauty).
Well, that's it!
Ciao!

Rodinei Campos da Silveira (from São Paulo, Brazil)

IN MEMORIAN OF WILLIAM HANNA & JOSEPH BARBERA

;-)

Steve Carras said...

Alright, I'll bring this to the
100th post by saying that "Cellbound"'s ending is one of the most funniest thing in any cartoon set in a prison....and there were many...in a way "Big House Blues" was like a prison set cartoon [though it was a metaphor for a dog pound.."Lady and the Tramp" of all films even had that metaphor..even it wasn't a "cartoony" story..]

The prisoner-bulldog's reaction come the end of "Cellbound"'s gotta be one of the best things in a theatrical short..

Steve Carras said...

To the poster [Anonymous/Chris] who liked the early Droopy where he's everywhere the wolf goes, one step ahead: believe it or not, as if a Droopy everywhere you go-and how many shows redid THAT gag-and movies*-there were actually TWO of them: "Dumb Hounded"[1943] AND "The Northwest Hounded Police".
*And that one step ahead bit was redone by, among others: that dog in the Walter Lantz "The Legend of Rockabye Point", which, btw, also steals from Tex Avery [well, not steals actually, as he did actually direct it, natch] with that "Rockabye Bear" bit also used elsewhere at MGM, and also conveniently, since this is a H-B and Ed Benedict discussion, Huckleberry Hound, Felix the Cat in an early episode with bulldog nenemis "Rock Bottom" in the TV 1958 version, Sam Sheepdog in those Ralph Wolf cartoons in "Ready Woolen, and Able", Tennessee Tuxedo, and even live action movies, Morgan Freeman as God in "Evan Almighty" and currently [as of June 2009] the Ghost of Girlfriends past [Emma Stone], when Matthew McConnaghy tries to get away from hber after first meeting her [but the last two are "immortal" beings, so they don't count..:)(]
WHEW! Also Gilligan in an episode where the skipper has to lose weight did the one step ahead of somebody else bit,too..

[WHEW! again.]
And of course before Droopy, Porky Pig and Cecil the Turtle in the Bugs Bunny shorts in "Tortoise Beats Hare" [1941] did the omnipresence bit.

Steve

Pokey said...

Oh, and also the "one-step ahead to an impossible degree" a la Cecil Toidle and Droopy was done by Goo in "Gumby", "Goo for Pokey", Daffy Duck in "The Stupor Salesman", and too many other characters...


Pokey

Pokey said...

Hey..what if The Carpenters-Richard and Karen, the Scooby era singing duo-had those designs-
hair would even be changed to Fred [blonde for Richard Carpenter] and Daphne [red for Karen Carpenter].
LOL Oh yeah. Karen Carpenter would wear a purple miniskirt with green scarf and red go-go boots and as for Richard Carpenters, well....he'd
be best wearing a blue rascot emblazoning a white shirt and blue pants.Oh yeah, and a talking dog.

Pokey