Wednesday, April 26, 2006

Help me do some Rubber Hose crap

SEE DISNEY RUBBER HOSE


OOGLE FLEISCHER RUBBER HOSE


Hey pals,


I have a whole bunch of articles about classic animation history and styles, but I'm stuck for the moment.

I want to do an article about rubber hose animation from 1928-1993 and am having trouble finding artwork or frame grabs to illustrate it.

I'm looking in particular for Disney and Fleischer stuff to compare especially scenes that have a few background characters in them.

If any of you can make frame grabs or have scans of art can you send me links to them? I want to put up the article tonight.

Swing You Sinners-some of the weirdest stuff
The thunder and lightning scene in Barnacle Bill.
Anything fun and weird from Fleischer
Surreal Disney??

Crowd scenes from Mickey barnyard cartoons and Fleischer cartoons...


Thanks everyone!!

Your pal,

John

48 comments:

Kitty said...

Coolie. Classic Disney art. Did you see "Steamboat Willie" on my MySpace page? :P If u use 'print scr' u can get screen grabs. That's what I do. :P

Anonymous said...

Fleischer?

There are a number of freely available Popeye cartoons stored here.

(As a side, I'd like to hear your opinion on 3D animation someday.)

-Gunslinger47

Taco Jack said...

Swing You Sinners:

http://www.animationarchive.org/2005/11/filmography-swing-you-sinners.html

Framegrabs, quicktime, etc.

Isn't there also a way trippy Porky Pig cartoon in the rubber hose style? Can't recall the title...

Anonymous said...

There also seems to be quite a bit of Betty Boop available on Google Videos:

video.google.com/videosearch?q=Fleischer

Try the third match specifically. It's from 1933 and certainly looks rubbery enough. :)

-Gunslinger47

Brian Romero said...

There is no 'print scr' on a Mac. It's command (apple) + shift + 3. Or command (apple) + shift + 4 if you want to select a specific area to capture. For DVD screen grabs I recommend ScreenCaptureGUI 2 for the Mac.

Taco Jack said...

Another nice option if you're a Mac user is Snapz Pro X.

Taco Jack said...

Hey John - what about the animation from 'The Twilight Zone Movie' Steven Spielberg segment that rehashed 'It's A Good Life' - when the kid banishes his sister to TV land, she ends up in a very wacked, surreal chase scene with all kinds of rubber hose-style characters (in full color, if I remember right.) I'm trying to find a screen grab, but maybe another reader can help...

Taco Jack said...

Sorry, it was Joe Dante who directed that segment, not Spielberg.

Atilio Millan said...

Bill Nolan was the animator that created the "Rubber Hose" style. Now, I want a Ren autographed by you!

Atilio

Atilio Millan said...

Bill Nolan was the animator that created the "Rubber Hose" style. Now, I want a Ren autographed by you!

Atilio

Eric C. said...

Hey John,

Rubber Hose is that dog and human combonation right ?

I know that the Disney Company made "Goof Troop" in the 90s in that kind of style.

Do you like the Rubber Hose Style ?

_Eric

jorge garrido said...

boooooooooooooooooooooring. I love Popeye and some Betty Boop, but this early 30's stuff never appealed to me.

Eric, ruuber hose is the 30's style where tehy cahracter;s bodies are based on a rubber hose and move like one, especially their arms.

Look at thier arms and legs. There is no taper at all, and no sharp angles. Round curves and no tapers in limbs.

Notice most characters from the early 30's look the same? Bosko, Oswald, Mickey...

Atilio said...

No Eric, is the style by which the animated characters move their extremities like rubber hoses.

jorge garrido said...

Let me say this, though, I'll take rubberhose cartoons with no plot, just 7 minutes of human/animal hybrids getting drunk and dancing in a barn, to modern day crap anyday.

Except some of the really good cartoons from after about 1985.

Jhhl said...

You'll want to look at the Ub Iwerks bad-trip rubbery fantasy BALLOON LAND. Even the Pincushion man is pretty rubbery - for a safety pin. This cartoon used to give me nightmares. Now I laugh at it - uneasily.

Charlie Campbell said...

Heya John... try Fleischer's Snow White via this link...

http://www.archive.org/details/bb_snow_white

The (mostly) rotoscoped scene with Cab Calloway features some great rubber hose.

Side-note: That scene may be my all-time favorite. It took my breath away, even as a very young child.

Taco Jack said...

A canload of Popeye stills: http://www.calmapro.com/popeye/stills.php?stills=01¤t=stills

Here's a newish video in rubber hose style for The Muffs 'Don't Pick On Me' (quicktime video)
http://www.the-muffs.com/media/dontpickon.html

Taco Jack said...

Tom Neely - who did the Muffs video also did this one for the MoveOn Bush in 30 seconds ad contest back in 2000.

http://www.brothercanyouspareajob.com/

Taco Jack said...

Charlie - did you mean "Minnie The Moocher"?

Anonymous said...

Hey John K.

Who did the Rubber Hose style background in the scene in "Ren Seeks Help" where Ren walks out side?

Jesse

Josh "Just What the Doctor Ordered" Heisie said...

Mr K:
I HAVE SOME!

I'll email them to your cartoonmister@aol.com address, because I can't get them onto a website in time? Is that ok?

MAKE SURE YOU CHECK YOUR EMAIL!

Shawn said...

>>booooooooooooooring. I love Popeye and some Betty Boop, but this early 30's stuff never appealed to me.

reply:
Rubber hose is also how the characters move. Bob Clampett was really inspired by that old cartoony stuff from the 20's, and so is John K. If you're looking at this blog, then I assume you're a Ren and Stimpy fan, which took a lot of reference from rubber hose cartoons.

Do you even have any clue who's blog you're commenting on???

Josh "Just What the Doctor Ordered" Heisie said...

I just sent some screenshots to your email address. Hope I can be of assistance!

Charlie Campbell said...

Naw, I meant Snow White, Taco.

There's a Betty Boop cartoons featuring Minnie the Moocher (where Cab is cast as a Walrus) but in Snow White, there's a nice piece with "St. James Infirmary Blues" which (in my humble opinion) is much better.

The extreme example of rubber hose comes when Cab's character (morphed from Koko) twists into a watch chain with a gold piece hanging from it. Check it out, you'll dig it, I promise.

makinita said...

John i just mailed some swing you sinners frame grabs to your mail hope u can use them

Gabriel said...

Rubber hose is cool, Jorge.
I dare to say I like the best Fleischer stuff at least as much as the best Looney Tunes, probably even more.

Jitterbug said...

Swing You Sinners!

http://www.animationarchive.org/pics/swingyousinners2.jpg

http://www.animationarchive.org/pics/swingyousinners4.jpg

Robert Hume said...

I know you can find Swing you Sinners on YouTube. I'll see what screen shots I can take of old fleisher cartoons from my DVD's as well...

Jitterbug said...

Ok, hopefully it will work this time:


Jitterbug said...

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Robert Hume said...

BTW I live in South Florida here and the old Fleisher Brothers' studio is said to of been right down the street from where I live.

...Anyhow, not that you care I'm sure. Hollywood and LA has tons of old animation studios out there as well.

Anonymous said...

The Florida Fleischer studio building is today a school, completely unrelated to animation production. There was an article a year or so ago on Jerry Beck's CARTOON RESEARCH website about it.

C. A. M. Thompson said...

here are some Mickey Mouse frames. Most of these come from the cartoon "Mickey's Follies".


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16

12 and 13 are my favorites.

Robert Hume said...

"The Florida Fleischer studio building is today a school, completely unrelated to animation production. There was an article a year or so ago on Jerry Beck's CARTOON RESEARCH website about it."


yeah in that is true...in the one of the slummiest parts of Miami Getto noless! I still find it interesting though :P

Taco Jack said...

Charlie - that was coooool! Also loved it when they turn the evil stepmother/dragon inside out.

Charlie J. said...

heres "dizzy dishes"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeJCbg1Grrc&search=betty%20boop
and "mysterious mose"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntEfl0YNh0&search=max%20Fleischer

if its not there, its somewhere on the page

Marc Deckter said...

Hi John,

Hopefully some of these will be useful for future posts:

Swing You Sinners (Fleischer Studios, 1930)

(These screengrabs were taken from the quicktime uploaded here)

Sinners 1
Sinners 2
Sinners 3
Sinners 4
Sinners 5
Sinners 6
Sinners 7
Sinners 8

"Surreal Disney??" Check out 6-10 below....

The Plow Boy (Walt Disney Studios, 1929)

Plow Boy 1
Plow Boy 2
Plow Boy 3
Plow Boy 4
Plow Boy 5
Plow Boy 6
Plow Boy 7
Plow Boy 8
Plow Boy 9
Plow Boy 10
Plow Boy 11
Plow Boy 12
Plow Boy 13
Plow Boy 14

I look forward to reading more of your articles!

christopher said...

Damn Marc, you beat me to it. I was just about to tell everyone to visit your blog!

Hey John, I really enjoyed the article you wrote about funny drawings in cartoons that was on the old Spumco site. As always everything you write is incredibly informative so I'm looking forward to more!

Peggy said...

Yay, rubber hose! The best of these shorts just ooze with the sheer joy of making drawings move - they're really an encapsulation of what drew me to animation in the first place.

I got no reference to offer, unfortunately. Just cheers.

Peggy said...

Oh yeah, if you can get ahold of some of the early Tezuka stuff, that makes for an interesting diversion in the History of Rubber Hose. I was quite pleasantly surprised at the bits of "Astro Boy" I saw; swinging between cycles of armies of bouncy robots and Serious Drama (coming from fairly varied-looking Ugly European Men) was quite a pleasant surprise.

Mish said...

Damnit, I had Swing you Sinners about an hour ago and just deleted it to make space.

Kevin said...

Gunslinger47,

thanks for posting the Snow White clip, that was crazy!

Acetate said...

Hey John, don't know if Sally Cruikshank (I am maiming that I know) is still animating, but she was a big fan of that style. I believe it was her animation in that Twilight Zone segment someone referenced. Alot of early Silly Symphonies have that style, like "Flowers and Trees"

Marc Deckter said...

Barnacle Bill (1930)
thunder and lightning 1
thunder and lightning 2
thunder and lightning 3
thunder and lightning 4

Crowd scenes from Fleischer cartoons....

Betty Boop's Bizzy Bee (1932)
Boop-Oop-A-Doop (1932)
The Bum Bandit (1931)
A Hunting We Will Go (1932)
Betty Boop for President 1 (1932)
Betty Boop for President 2 (1932)
Silly Scandals 1 (1931)
Silly Scandals 2 (1931)

JohnK said...

Hey Marc

Thanks!

What's your site url again?

If you put em all up there I'll link to you.

John

Marc Deckter said...

If you put em all up there I'll link to you.

Sure, no problem. Gimme about 20 minutes. I'll post the permanent links when I'm done.

jorge garrido said...

>>Rubber hose is also how the characters move.
That's what I said.

>>Bob Clampett was really inspired by that old cartoony stuff from the 20's, and so is John K. If you're looking at this blog, then I assume you're a Ren and Stimpy fan, which took a lot of reference from rubber hose cartoons.
Actually I'm more of a Looney Tunes fan, but I prefer Tex Avery styled humour and fast pacing to the early rubberhose stuff. I can appreciate some of it, and like I said, I love Popeye, but alot of it I don't find appealing. It goes over my head I guess. It was before the animators had reached the creative peak of cartoons, which is what they did in the mid 40's.

>>Do you even have any clue who's blog you're commenting on???
John Kerry's. Duh.

Trevour said...

I always enjoyed Dippy The Goof. Didn't he almost look like an old, weathered pervert in his first appearance up there?

When you look at the later Floyd Gottfredson Mickey comics from the early '30s, his design became more streamlined and he wasn't an aged dog anymore - which of course, evolved into Goofy within a few years.

Speaking of Gottfredson, I always thought this particular comic was a riot - Mickey Mouse Trying to Commit Suicide - from October 1930.